2009 Local Area Continuous Gutter Parts Delivery w/Instruction & Tool List

Updated 9-1-2009

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What type of parts are these?
These are the same professional parts I use, that are better than the sub-code quality parts found in the hardware stores normally sold to the do-it-yourselfers. These are continuous lengths of gutters for a seamless water troth There is a substantial difference with how strong they are and how long they will last. Many of these parts are even better than what the other licensed gutter contractors use.

For whom is this service available?
These prices are for those within our local Portland, Oregon Metro area only.
 If you are not local to NW Oregon, go to our Custom Parts Shipping web page for our special gutter accessories that I do ship. I do sell to home owners as well as licensed contractors.

When can you deliver?
Even if I am scheduled months out to do installations I can usually give you a good deal on gutter run-outs w/all the professional gutter parts needed, with the added convenience of prompt delivery (usually within a week from getting your payment). I require full payment before delivery of your order unless other arrangements were made.

For gutter runs above 150' the delivery fee is waived, but for smaller parts deliveries within our local Portland, Oregon Metro area it runs $75. More for long distances of course.

How do I arrange this?
The CCB does require all contractors provide free bids, but a gutter parts delivery does not fall within that requirement. Just like with any delivery from a lumber yard, I do not make a free advanced trip out to your job site to evaluate your need for gutter parts for you. Charging you a fee I can  drive over and scale my ladders to get the exact measurements and downspout placements you would need, but if you are able to do the installation you should be able to do this for yourself.

I have gone out of my way to provide you with this convenient chart to help you work up this order. You can see a larger copy of our gutter chart by just clicking on the image above.  Then right click over that larger image to save it off to your hard drive. Then open the image file into an image editor to print it out.  Take measurements, fill it out using the prices below, and send it in with your payment.  Feel free to e-mail me with a scanned copy for confirmation of your numbers or with any questions you may have. I will respond within 24 hours.  I can mail you a hard copy if you are not able to print out this chart. Call me if it is very urgent.  I may need to call you back, as I will most likely be at a job site, perhaps up on a ladder.

To clarify your options; there are a few different ways to do this and cost options. 

(a) If you have a way to come here to get the parts and safely transport them, I can sell them to you for 10% less.

(b) If the gutters you need are all pretty short (less than 35'), that will expedite matters and make it easier for you. I can run them out here and just put them on the rubber pads over our 32' ladder (as seen in the background photo).

(c) I can make them a little longer to make sure they will fit just right if you are not too sure about your measurements.

(d) There is an extra $75 service fee to bring out the gutter machine trailer to the job site. I will need a high amp 120 volt plug-in to run the gutter machine and at least 85'+ space for the car, trailer, plus the length of the gutter to run them out. To make a special trip out to the job site to measure the house for you there is a $50 to $250 charge, depending on how far I have to drive and how complicated it is.

(e) It would cost extra if you need me to process all the gutter parts so they are ready to hang for you. You would also be subject to our schedule found on our
Latest News web page. I would need exact measurements, or need to drive out there to get the measurements for you. The cost savings from not having me do the installation is minimal and you would not have our installation warranty, so that has proven not to be a popular option for the Do-it-yourselfer.

I hope this clarifies this process for you. I aim to please and be as versatile as possible to fit your needs. Let me know what options suit your needs best.

Minimum charge?
I will do small jobs, but there is a $200 minimum for deliveries.  If you are able to pick up the parts here at our shop I will waive the minimum charge.  Be sure to e-mail and call first to be sure I will have the parts you need in stock and to arrange a time for me to be here for the pick-up.

Do you pre-assembled gutters and seal them for us?
As stated above; for the prices listed below I do not do the assembly and sealing work for you, hence the detailed instructions I provide along with the recommended tools list.

The reason being is that if you were to have me deliver, assemble, and seal the gutter parts for you, you would be much better off to have me do the installation as well, since that way you don't risk possible damage to the gutter parts while installing, and you would also have my 15 year installation warranty, so there would be not much benefit to self-installation in that case. The draw back is how you would have to wait for me to fit this work in my regular schedule, which may be several month down the line of clients already contracted.

Here is a letter I received from a client who ordered over 200' of the heavy gauge 20oz copper gutters from me to install himself in Lake Oswego, Oregon. This may give you a better sense of what this is like better than anything I could tell you:

From: "Berglund, Carl A" <carl.berglund@XX.c*m>
Subject: RE: Berglund copper gutters.
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007

Thanks David,
I didn't ever find a crimper that could put a dimple for sealing the end caps that's why I am short in that I had to use rivets on every end cap. That sealant is some sticky stuff, worse almost than vaulkum.

<I could have gotten the tools needed for you, since many of them are not found and hardware stores. Although, I suppose that is the better way, since a few extra rivets are a lot cheaper than this hand tool you would not be likely to use again. As to the caulk; I aim to supply the best>

 
In any event things went pretty smooth, I did find that on my house I could use pipe clamps to rest the gutter on prior to putting in any screws. This in my view made things much much easier.  So depending upon how the fascia is put up, if there is a way to either a. clamp a board up to hold the gutter, or b. just use the end of the clamp it made it possible to get the gutter up, then position it, fine tune it's pitch, etc.. without ever doing a screw - very very handy. Also If I needed a helper it was only to get it up onto the clamps - then I was good to go.

<That is a great idea I had not considered. Aluminum gutters are only 1/3 the weight, and since all I did was aluminum for the first 5 years I never bothered to rig up something like that.>

 
Tips, I bought a very high quality level (I have numerous but the precision of the bubble for just touching the line wasn't very good. It's the blue ones about 35-40$ for a 2 footer available at Sears home depot, Lowes etc... it's there best one. Really did make a difference and felt confident that the slope would be just enough but not too much.

<That is a good point. I like the Stabila line of levels best.>

 
Just FYI, I find these gutters to be "noisier" than our old. Not sure why, maybe copper, or 20 oz copper has a louder "ring" to it when water drips into it.

<They are new and whistle clean. When they get a little debris in them they will be as quite as you remember the old ones being>

 
I can see why you always wear gloves as well as long sleeve shirts, had a couple places where it was obvious my arm touched them while installing, should have worn a long sleeve.
 
Chop saw worked well but really loud, ear plugs recommended with eye protection a must.

<You are right. I should remember to caution people about how loud and shrill that is>

 
Back to tips, invest in a good set of both short and long right and left tin snips. Additionally a good set of 3 inch sheet metal bender pliers for downspouts.

<Kline or Midwest makes some good hand tools. The ships should always be the 'off-set' type. Not the type you commonly see in hardware stores.>

 
I found that for the downspout holes to work out best you can not just do a simple X cut but have to cut inward from the 1 inch hole saw area out and in the corners need real care to get them to end up as big a hole as possible yet have it flare into the downspout right - hope that makes sense but showing one that you have done to a DIY would be very helpful.

<I do: http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/Kistler4.htm . It may not show the hole-saw system. I have a standard size hole punch I use, but it shows how I make 8 cuts to maximize the outlet size.>

 
Pay very close attention to downspouts near corners or against any part of the house that projects out and do as much of the manipulation of the downspout bracket "holder" as possible prior to mounting it on the downspout. (I was able to do some of the bends with a bench clamp with good success and have the bends be more where I wanted them and cleaner this way.)

<Yes, those pipe cleats are made with a very thick 48oz copper sheet metal>

 
Pay close attention to rivet placement for consistent good looks on exterior.
 
Important - have an onsite consultation with you to aid in planning. You solved some nice issues in ways I would not have thought of in that I was too caught up in how it used to be rather than what was possible to do better.

<I aim to please>

 
The leaf catchers in my mind are way more important than the screens. I am finding with the gutters flowing properly they are not gathering to any degree the needles and leaf fall like they used to. A good strong deluge and the needles flow with the water and do a very good job of getting filtered out by the leaf catchers while essentially self cleaning the gutters. I would not ever have a house without them. (had them on the old gutters but they were of poor design and in that the gutters didn't always go downhill and the downspouts were small would always clog.)

<Right, the Leaf-catchers I make are my most popular feature for selling new gutter systems>

 
That's about it.
 
Some of the corners could be prettier but acceptable overall.
 
Haven't done the flashing on Chimneys yet, hope to this weekend, will put a patio umbrella into the chimney hole if raining so I can do it mostly dry...
 
Once we rock the chimney I will be back to you about chimney caps...

<I will look forward to hearing from you when you are ready>

 
Thanks again, really appreciate everything.

Carl Berglund

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Instructions
Here is our set of the most current instruction w/the list of recommended tools in a Word 'doc' file. (your browser may ask for a pass word. Just hit 'cancel' and you should still get the file)

The images below link to a full screen image you can read or print out.

Or click here for the updated Leaf-catcher Installation Instructions Word 'doc' file. To read more about the design and function details of our Leaf-catchers see:
http://dmr-gutters.com/opt.htm#catchers

I will be happy to mail you a copy of our gutter chart and instruction w/ a list of recommended tools upon request.  You can then fill it out and send in your order.

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Main Gutters & Downspout Prices

Items

Aluminum Copper
Gutter Run-outs w/a Monster Hidden Hanger for every 2' of gutter w/a pair of stainless steel screws for each $2.50 a foot  $10 a foot 16oz
or $12' for 20oz
2"x3" Downspouts in 10' sections w/pipe-cleats and SS screws for mounting, and each Elbow $2.50 a foot
$3 per elbow
 $10 a foot
$12 per elbow
2x Larger 3" x 4" Downspouts in 10' sections and each Elbows w/mounting hardware $4.00 a foot
$5 per elbow
$14 a foot
$16 per elbow
or reducer

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Rain cupsRain cupsCopper and Brass Rain Chain/Cups (funnels)
An alternative to a closed downspout, as long as you have a good system to catch this water under it and channel it away from the house foundation. It is best to remove the end-cap and bend the floor of the gutter down to direct the water into the top of the rain-cups. This helps prevent debris from forming a blockage. I use a 1/4" stainless steel eye hook or place a hidden hanger on the end  for attachment. They also come in a 3 funnels per foot without the chain link between them.

These shown below comes in sets of 1 ornamental funnels per foot that link together with these hollow tubular loop chains for up to 3 story lengths, and are sold without the loops.

Bluebell or Crocus
$110 - 6' strand all funnels (no loops as seen above)

$80 - 6' strand w/loops

Buttercup, Fish, Tulip, or Umbrella
$140 - 6' strand all funnels (no loops as seen above)
$110 - 6' strand w/loops

Tea Pot over Tea Cups or Watering Can over Flowers
$160 - 6.5' strand w/loops
(shown on the sides. Parts can be sold separately)

Other Professional Parts I Can Supply You

Item(s)

Aluminum

Copper

  • Left or Right Endcaps
  • 2"x3" Rectangular Outlets
  • DS Pipe-cleat Brackets w/6 rivets & 2 stainless steel screws for each (1 per 6')
  • Monster Hidden Hangers w/a pair of stainless steel screws for each (1 per 2')
$1.75 each $5.50 each
3"x4" rectangular outlets $2.00 each $6 each
Painted aluminum or copper rivets w/brass mandrels (not available in all colors) $5.50 per 100 $10 per 100
Pre-fab corners $12.00 each $45 each
PRO-SEAL 34 caulk 1.5oz waterproof plastic tube $16 per tube same
Matching can of spray paint $6.00  
Comes in 5" or 6" sizes:
4' wide black powder bake finish steel Leaf Screens

Copper screens come in 3' wide sections, and are nor very sturdy.

$1.50' - 5"

$1.75 - 6"
$3.75' - 5"

$4.50' - 6"

15" long 3"x4" to 2"x3" DS reducers $15.00 each $25 each
Our custom made Leaf-catchers
To read more about the design & function details of our Leaf-catchers see:
http://dmr-gutters.com/opt.htm#catchers
2"x3" $20.00
3"x4" $27.50
$35
$40
1x3 .027 aluminum, or copper drip edge flashing $0.75 per foot $3 per foot

 

I also make custom aluminum and copper sheet metal parts,
inquire for prices, and see our
Photo Pages to see what else I have done

DMR Gutters will also install gutters at your request, refer to our installation price sheet page

Give me a try. Aside from the wait you may encounter, you won’t be disappointed. Guaranteed! I'd like to believe I'm worth the wait, but that's your call.

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A Comparison to Our No-clog Gutter System
A lot more than just a check list
(click on the image below to go to that web page)

Above left is an actual aluminum LEAF GUARD ® gutter cross section profile that I have to show clients the clear difference. The image right shows our more user-friendly hinged copper leaf screen over our copper K-5 gutter for the same cost.

 

 

 

Other Helpful Roofing Information
For some valuable advice with regards to roofing and rain management issues check out our:

(a) Gutter Installation
(b) Gutter Debris Protection Options
(c) Roofing Quality Standards
(d) Chimney Flashing

(e) Moss Control & Treatment

web pages for answers and solutions that could save you thousands of $ and a great deal of anguish.

If you do find this information very helpful, feel free to send us a $ tip for the assistance I so freely have published on the web here for your benefit, like you might tip a waitress.  Heck, send us a gift certificate for a candle lit dinner for two. <LOL>

 

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Below is a photo of our
Better Business Bureau's
NW Business Integrity Award
for the year 1998

1999 Better Business Award

I was also a 1997 finalist for this same award. See our referral web page to see how I managed to be honored with this special award

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