2017 Gutter, Parts, & Flashing
for Local DIY
(Do-It-Yourselfers) & Contractors w/Instruction & Tool List

Updated 2 / 2017

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Why consider a DYI parts over a professional installation?
This is not for everyone of course. I only offer this because I want to support and encourage the DYI enthusiast, such as yourself, such as myself. These parts kits do not actually make us much $. The main reason for you not to go for our full installation is not as much the money you'd save. It's more the time frame in which you would have to wait for me fit your project into my DMR Gutters schedule, which has been over 4 months for the last decade or so, and even longer these days. We can provide you with the same professional rust-free unassembled parts we use usually within a week or so, which makes all the difference if you simply cannot wait.

We also provide rust-free roof flashing in aluminum or copper as well, since the only parts you can get from any of the local Roofing Suppliers is painted steel that will not last as long as the lowest life roof shingles. We got a special purchase of some large sheets of a brown painted aluminum (while limited supplies last). The color is called Weathered Copper (not to be confused with actual copper). Even if you are not doing your own roof you should get this flashing from us. Then compel your Roofer to use it, in stead of the cheap steel they would use. Rake edge T metal and drip edge flashing can be made in any of the 30 colors gutters come in.

If you are a real Go-getter this could be a great advantage to our time-frame and of course personal satisfaction as well. Although, if there's a chance you're a procrastinator it would still be faster to wait for us to do the installation. I have seen several DYI'ers take longer to finish their installation than if they had waited for DMR to install, so keep that in mind. I hate to see that happen. I want this to work out for you and for you to see you succeed at this.

As you may have found out already any Gutter Contractor worth a darn is going to be booked out a ways, and you many not feel you can wait several months for DMR to fit your project in. If they're not booked up that's highly suspect of their reputation. There may be scary reasons they are able to jump right on it for you, and you'll find the need to replace the crappy work they did after the first heavy rain fall. Other than the learning curve your best advantage is you'll know it was installed well if you do-it-yourself. For some reason you cannot seem to pay most Contractors enough to care about quality over profit, which is why I got into this line of work myself; knowing the right material are used and installed well.

If your gutters are not rusted out or falling off just replacing your downspouts alone will benefit you substantially with improved functionality to most any house. Especially from those dysfunctional plain square DSP (downspout pipes) found on most houses built within the last 4 decades. New aluminum DSP parts would run you as little as $28 for a 1 story application, and simple enough to do. Perhaps even easier than assembling a toy Lincoln Log Cabin. If you would like the advantage of 3X larger No-clog outlet option a DSP assembly kit runs just $80 each for larger outlet conversion with a Leaf-catcher (shown to the right). This is including all the brackets, rivets, and stainless steel screws needed.

Why not just buy parts from a hardware Store?
I could not legally install any of the parts they sell because they are substandard parts. You need to realize hardware stores do not sell gutter parts that are up to minimum building code standards, which will fail in short order. Also, they cost too much, and harder it install. Most DYI'ers would buy those substandard parts, because they don't know any better or thought this was their only option. You cannot get any of the parts we sell at your local hardware store. Plastic gutter parts cost nearly as much as our aluminum gutters, are harder to install, and don't last as well, so that's a horrible option. They would be just a waste of your time and money to put them on your house.

Even if you are a licensed Contractor you would not be able to get many of the parts listed here from the local wholesale warehouse that sells to only Licensed Contractors. The parts I sell are better than most local Gutter Contractors use. The part we supply you are the same professional rust free parts we use, which I've had to research alternative sources for these better parts, because of the lack of demand for those better parts by Gutter Contractors. I have to order these gutter parts from 9 different suppliers in 5 different States across the Nation.

There is a substantial difference in how strong these parts are, how well they work, and how long they will last. The continuous lengths of gutter I form are also better that you'll find from other Gutter Contractors with the safety hem my machine forms on the back wall of the gutter. It is also one of the few gutter machines to have been kept out of the weather since it was new. That detail is more important than you would imagine.

Are there any other Gutter Contractors offering this sort of service?
As far as we know there are no other Gutter Contractors offering this type of service to the DIY'ers at any price in this area. Perhaps within the Nation. They seem to feel it's not worth their time, so why bother, and they're not willing to share precious install instructions with you, or a list of recommended tool, as I have done here (shown below on this web page).

As you'll see I've been quite generous with information here. If you're real nice I'll even offer you a wealth of my 20 years experience to suggest improvements to the gutter system you have now after reviewing some digital photos you send me.

Can you measure my house and process the gutters for me?
You could hire me to bring my ladders out and measure your house roof-lines. Although, if you cannot get those measurements yourself perhaps you should not be tackling such a project as this. If I were to process the gutters for you it would take us too much time, and we would not be able to offer this swift service. You would only save about $100 from having us install them, loosing out on our full warranty. You would also be responsible for any damaged parts in the process, so there's not much point to not hiring us to do the installation for you at that point. So, prepping the gutters is not a service we offer to local Clients.

If you are not local to the Portland Oregon area we have prepped gutters for some Out-of-State Clients, for an added cost of course. Since we are not licensed to work outside Oregon installation is not an option for them. This service is because they are not likely to find a Gutter Contactor willing to do what we do at any price. Swift turn-around service would not apply, and freight can be quite expensive for long crates; such as this may require.

Here is a testimony from a client who traveled to us from San Jose to get a set of our copper gutter lengths and several other custom parts to suit his needs.

From: Peter Troop <ptroop@sbcglobal.n*t>
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011
Subject: Overdue thank you - San Jose job

David,
Your help with my gutter issues last fall was spectacular. Your materials, combined with the skills of my installer, have given an excellent result. The trays, funnels, reducers, leaf catchers and screen system look beautiful and work. For the first time in this home I have an actual gutter system that reliably does what it needs to do.

I know you would like photos – and I’ve been waiting to get them before sending this email. But I don’t have them yet – but wanted to let you know how pleased I am. I will send them eventually.

I hope this finds you well...
Peter

Can you show us how to process the gutters?
Sure, you could sign up for our gutter installation training course, but that runs $500 a day and could take any where from a single day to a month to complete, depending on your aptitude and complexity of your gutter job. Since it obviously would take us less time and cost less to process those parts and install them for you this option has proven to not be very popular, unless you want to go into this line of work. You can follow this link to learn more about our training program:

http://dmr-gutters.com/gt.htm

Installation Instructions:
Here is the most current instruction w/list of recommended tools. Just click on the images below for a docx file you can read and print out that was last updated 7/13.

To read more about the design and function details of our Leaf-catchers see:
http://dmr-gutters.com/opt.htm#catchers

Free phone support if we cannot understand your instructions?

I am willing to answer some minor questions, but if it's going to be more involved than just a short 5 minute call we will need to arrange a consultation fee first. This is why I suggest you read over the instructions before placing your order, so you have a much better feel for being able to do this. I don't think it's very complicated with my 2 decades of experience of course. I'm able to accomplish most new projects w/o any instruction, which is how I started out in this business, given I was tested in School to have a 99% mechanical comprehension, which it well above average. I could not possibly know how difficult you might find this sort of work.

As stated above it would probably take us less time to process those parts and install them for you then it would take to explain all this to you, so consider this before placing an order for DIY parts.

For whom is this service available?

This is for the Novice to experienced Contractor who may not want to invest in their own gutter machine and find a place to store it. Just believing you can do this is the hardest hurdle you'll probably face. I applaud those who have the gumption to try, which is why I offer this service. Take the time to read over the instructions I have provided here and imagine the possibilities.

These prices are for those within our local Portland, Oregon Metro area for a delivery of these long gutter lengths or pick up (if they are not too long to handle). I have had some out of State clients, but shipping long lengths of gutters can be a bit more costly in order to build sturdy wood crates and truck freight.

If you are not local to NW Oregon, go to our Custom Parts Shipping web page for our special gutter accessories that I ship out FedEx Ground for the prices listed there. I seem to sell to Homeowners more than licensed Contractors ten fold, so don't be shy to ask for my assistance and advice regarding your order.

When can you deliver?
Even if I am scheduled months out to do installations I can usually still give you a good deal on gutter run-outs w/all the professional parts needed, with the added convenience of prompt delivery Usually within a week from getting your payment. Just like most any lumber yard I require full payment before delivery of your order.

For combined gutter runs above 150' the delivery fee is waived, but for smaller parts deliveries within our local Portland, Oregon Metro area it runs $75 an hour round trip.

How do I arrange this?
The CCB does require all Licensed Contractors to provide free bids within a reasonable area, but a gutter parts order does not fall within that requirement. Just as with any delivery from a lumber yard, I do not make a free advanced trip out to your job site to evaluate your needs for gutter parts for you. Charging you a fee I can  drive over and scale my ladders to get the exact measurements and downspout placements you would need, but if you are able to do the installation you should be able to do this for yourself without much difficulty.

I have gone out of my way to provide you with this convenient chart to help you work up an order. You can see a larger copy of our gutter chart by just clicking on the image to the right for printing it out.  Take measurements, fill it out using the prices below, and send it in with your payment.  Feel free to e-mail me with a scanned copy for confirmation of your numbers or with any questions you may have. I will respond within 24 hours.  I can mail you a hard copy if you are not able to print out this chart. Call me if it is very urgent.  I may need to call you back, as I will most likely be at a job site, perhaps up on a ladder.

Remember that I can make them a little longer to make sure they will fit just right. If you are not sure about your measurements they can be trimmed back to fit, but it will be very frustrating if they are too short, and may not be usable.

To clarify your options there are a few different ways to do this and cost options. 

(a) If you have a way to come here to get the parts and safely transport them you would save the cost of delivered parts. Be sure to mention this detail when placing your order. I have been transporting hundreds of long continuous gutter lengths on the freeway and City streets for 2 decades w/o incident, so it can be done, but there's no guarantees. My record is 61' in one piece, but I would not recommend you try to do this with more than 35' w/o experience.

(b) I can deliver continuous gutter lengths safely to your job site for $75 an hour round trip. If the gutters you need are all fairly short (less than 45' long) that will expedite matters. I can run them out here and just put them on the rubber pads over my 32' ladder (as seen in the background photo). There is an extra $150 service fee to bring out the gutter machine trailer to your job site for longer lengths. To do this I will need a high amp 120 volt plug-in to run the gutter machine and 100' of space for my rig, trailer, plus the length of the longest gutter to run them out.

(c) I can process and seal these gutters for you, so they are ready to hang. Those processed parts would cost more of course. You'd be subject to our schedule found on our Latest News web page, so there is that delay as well. I would need exact measurements, or need to drive out to the job site to get those measurements for you for a fee. The cost savings of not having us do the installation is only $0.75 ln', you'll risk damage to the parts after delivery, and you would not have our installation warranty, so this has proven not to be a popular option for the Do-it-yourselfer. You would be better off having us install them for you.

I hope this clarifies this process for you. I aim to please and be as versatile as possible to fit your needs. Let me know what options suit your needs best.

Minimum charge?
I will do small jobs, but I need to have a $200 minimum for these kits.  If you are able to pick up the parts here at our shop I may waive the minimum charge.  Be sure to e-mail and call first to be sure we have the parts you need in stock and to arrange a time for us to be here for the pick-up.

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Roof Flashing, Gutters, \& Downspout Parts Prices
(does not include preparation or installation)

Parts Description

Painted
Aluminum
Solid
Copper
Gutter Run-outs w/a Monster Hidden Hanger for every 2' of gutter w/a pair of stainless steel screws for each hanger $3 Ln'
0.027" thick
w/0.063" hangers
$16 Ln'
Exclusive 20oz copper
w/48oz hangers
2"x3" Downspouts 10' or cut to lengths you need (rivets, pipe-cleats, & SS screws sold separately below) $2 Ln'
or per elbow
0.019 thick
$14 Ln'
Exclusive 20oz copper
or per 16oz elbow
2x Larger 3" x 4" Downspouts come in 10' sections, but can be cut to just the lengths you need. $3 Ln'
or per elbow
$16 Ln'
Exclusive 20oz copper
or per 16oz elbow

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Gutter Accessory Prices

Note:
listed prices below include
all the needed hardware like; rivets, stainless steel screws to perform the work

I don't have a fancy shopping cart system here, so simply e-mail with what you want.
There's a PayPal link on my Contact Page if needed.

Installation instruction are below, and click here for our order and contact info

1.5" wide Monster Hidden Hangers
Sold separately for rehanging any 5" gutter. Each hanger comes w/a pair of #12 stainless steel screws in either 1", 1.5", or 2" length. I tend to use the longer screws for rafter tail attachments.

$150 for box of 100 in 0.063 Aluminum
$500 for box of 100 in 48oz Copper
        
Can be packed as needed

Larger No-clog OutletStandard Left or Right End-caps

Aluminum $1.50
each

Copper
$6 each
Pre-fab Corners in 90 degree for Inside or Outside
 Aluminum (0.019): $10 each
 Copper (12oz): $30 each

More common outside corner shown here in white painted aluminum. Limited color selection. These are better than strip miters. They do not sell these in a 45 degree angle corner piece. I cam make custom corners for you, but they run $80 each in aluminum and $100 made in the 20oz copper we use.

Gutter Screen
This is a sturdy screen 5"x 4' long w/black powder-bake finish over steel, curl under attachment (may need a pair of screws for each to secure).
From all I have tested this is the best screen available at any price. This comes in a Small Hole version, but it had too high of a failure rate, so I no longer offer that style. I would love to have access to a screen with larger holes than this for better overall function.

$175 per box

(25 piece/100' per box, but can be packed to order)
Large Downspout Pipe Cleats
5 3/4" wide 1 3/8" tall. Made with 0.063" metal. They were designed for mounting 3X4 downspout, but also works well with 2X3 downspout. Comes with
6 rivets and a pair of #12 stainless steel screws for each bracket. The Copper pipe cleats come with 6 SS screws per as a theft deterrent. They can be bent to fit a round downspout, so specify if that is how they will be used.
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$2 each set in 0.063 Aluminum
$9 each set in 48oz Copper

Leaf-catchers
I am so confident you will love these DS strainers I make they come with a 5 year satisfaction guarantee, even if they are not resellable. I believe they are the #1 reason I am hired to replace gutters. These kits include all the attachment hardware needed to remount your 1 story DS pipe in the same manner:
3 large pipe cleats, 6 SS screws (18 w/copper), and 28 rivet.

Painted Aluminum:
w/stainless steel screen strainer basket
See color chart for options.


Standard 2X3 DS - $35 ea.

Larger 3X4 DS - $40 ea.

20oz Copper:

Standard 2X3 DS - $60 ea.

Larger 3X4 DS - $70 ea.

Please specify your DS size:
(a) standard 2X3 DS
(b) Wider 3X4 above reduced to 2x3 below
(c) larger 3X4 DS top & bottom
(d) 3" round DS
(e) 4" round DS

Option 'b' can be used with 2X3 DS for a larger strainer basket if you want, or w/3X4 DS reduced to make it easier to fit below into a standard 3" storm drain pipe. To read more about the design & function details of our Leaf-catchers see:
http://dmr-gutters.com/opt.htm#catchers

Larger No-clog OutletDownspout Reducer
8 sided reducer designed for corrugated 3"x 4" to 2"x 3" downspouts
. We have 8 different templates, so please be specific with your order:
(a) common 'A' style (as shown)
(b) 'B' style - seam on narrow sides
(c) No eave gutter outlet/reducer
(d) End of gutter outlet/reducer

In each 4 styles listed above specify 12" or 15" long versions
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Aluminum Reducer:
12"L - $12 or 15"L - $15

20oz Copper Reducer:
12"L - $25 or 15"L - $30 each

Super No-Clog Outlet Combo Set
This scupper tray is made for a K-5 gutter 3.25" X 10" wide top with the bottom sealed to a larger 3x4 elbow
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Note: These are very useful for under an expansion joint for long gutter lengths, as shown here in this image of a cut-away attachment before the other gutter length is added.

Aluminum Super-Outlet:
$50 each

20oz Copper Super-Outlet:
$75 each

FunnelStandard Funnel
Used to join a pair of downspout pipes down into a single DS. 15" tall x 6.5" wide, 8 sided. Specify size and color.
Includes rivets, a pipe cleat, and 3 SS screws.

Aluminum Funnel (as shown)
for 2x3 DS - $15 each

for 3x4 DS - $20 each

20oz Copper Funnel
for 2x3 DS - $30 each

for 3x4 DS - $40 each

Funnel5 Facet Scupper/Funnel
Commonly for flat roof outlets, or a decorative funnel to combine 2 downspouts into 1 downspout. Has a rim bent over the top edge for added strength. Includes rivets, a pipe cleat, and SS mounting screws. Specify color.

Measurements for 2X3 DSP:
8.5" wide, 5.5" deep, 13" tall

Measurements for 3X4 DSP:
12" wide, 8" deep, 12" tall

Aluminum Scupper (as shown)
for 2x3 DSP - $25 each
for 3x4 DSP - $30 each

20oz Copper Scupper
for 2x3 DSP - $60 each
for 3x4 DSP -
$70 each

Rain-cups Outlet
Funnel
Rain-cups are used in leu of a regular downspout to. This outlet piece helps to effectively funnel the rain water into the cups allowing for a larger outlet opening. Includes rivets, 1/4" SS hook, and 4 ga copper wire for rain-cup attachment. 30 pre-painted colors for aluminum

Aluminum Rain-cups Outlet (as shown)
$40 each

20oz Copper Rain-cups Outlet
$60 each

Go here for more detailed installation instructions and photos: http://dmr-gutters.com/rco.htm

Roof Tray

Downspout Roof Trays:
I have been using these on our gutter jobs for over 2 decades now w/o negative reports. These are usually formed from a 6" wide gutter coil stock. I bend a 3/4" rise w/safety hem on both sides to contain the rain water flow from an upper downspout mounted over roofing to deliver it to a lower gutter w/o touching the roof shingles. This looks better than a downspout mounted over the shingles, while eliminating the mildew stains and excess wear on those shingles. These are attached with a pair of stainless steel screws with a sealing washer, which we supply you. The end is bent down in a curve to wick the water down into the lower gutter. If you are covering the lower gutter with a screen it will need to be cut open where this tray is mounted. These can be made to the length you need in a variety of colors to match your roof.

Note: Shipping cost is a lot more for trays longer than 4' to 6' long, since they may have to go truck freight. That could make these cost over 3X more.

Aluminum Roof Tray:
$1.00 ln' for 3" wide floor
$1.50 ln' for 4.5" wide floor

20oz Copper Roof Tray:
$4.50 ln' for 3" wide floor
$5.50 ln' for 4.5" wide floor

FunnelPRO-SEAL 34 Caulk
Rated at 350% expansion.


$15
each 10.5oz tube
Rivets
Painted aluminum ( may not be available in all colors)
$4 per 100

Copper w/brass mandrels
$9 per 100
Matching touch-up Spray Paint
$6 per shaker can

A set of color chips:
for available pre-painted aluminum

$2
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Rain cupsRain cupsCopper and Brass Rain Chain/Cups (funnels)
An alternative to a closed downspout, as long as you have a good system to catch this water under it and channel it away from the house foundation. It is best to remove the end-cap and bend the floor of the gutter down to direct the water into the top of the rain-cups. This helps prevent debris from forming a blockage. I use a 1/4" stainless steel eye hook or place a hidden hanger on the end  for attachment. They also come in a 3 funnels per foot without the chain link between them.

These shown below comes in sets of 1 ornamental funnels per foot that link together with these hollow tubular loop chains for up to 3 story lengths, and are sold without the loops.

Bluebell or Crocus
$140 - 6' strand all funnels (no loops as seen above)
$100 - 6' strand w/loops (not recommended in the NW)

Buttercup, Fish, Tulip, or Umbrella
$180 - 6' strand all funnels
(no loops as seen above)
$130 - 6' strand w/loops (not recommended in the NW)

Tea Pot over Tea Cups or Watering Can over Flowers
$220 - 8.5' strand w/loops
(shown on the sides. Parts can be sold separately)

Better Rust Free Non-ferrous Roof Flashing
Feel free to call you local Roofing Supplier to see if you can get aluminum or copper flashing at any price w/o having to wait weeks. Standard copper flashing is a thinner 16oz copper. Although, we use a thicker 20oz copper instead, which is the same thickness as the 0.027 aluminum we use for a better than standard quality. At just $7 sq' this is less than you could by flat sheets of 20oz copper. For aluminum flashing it runs just $1.50 sq'.

The custom design profiles we offer are also better than standard. This flashing can be made up to 12' long, or cut just to order. In aluminum you have the choice of our 30 different colors to suit your needs better than the Roofing suppliers offer.  These can be custom made to order due to your needs in lengths or widths, so little if any material is wasted, provided we have detailed measurements.  Also, the aluminum cut-off scrap value is 5X more than steel. We will offer free local delivery to local job sites for orders over 100 sq' in copper, or 400 sq' of aluminum.

These prices are w/o a wood crate & freight, so if you're not local to the Portland, Oregon area that will need to be added to these charges. If you can get it locally it should be cheaper than paying freight, yet I may still be half of what they are asking, since they will do their best to discourage the use of any rust free flashing to avoid warranty issues of the shingles they sell. Simply speaking: it's because they need the flashing to fail first, so they suffer no liability.

We are not insured to install these roofing parts, so you would need to be able to install them yourself, or hire a Roofing Contractor to use these parts when roofing your home. Although, you need to verify they are insured to do roofing work as well, since it is 5X more than any other type of construction work. I have an Advice page about roofing you should read over before you've signed a contract with a Roofer: http://dmr-gutters.com/rf/roofs.htm

Drip Edge Metal
Priced per 12' stick (not just 10'). These can easily be custom formed to your specifications and lengths to suit your needs better. It can be made with a safety hem along the bottom edge for added strength and easier handling, but would add to the cost. This type of flashing is used to seal the lower horizontal roof edges to the gutter and protect the plywood roof.
See above for freight details if you are not local.Drip Edge Metall Flashing

0.027 Aluminum:
1X3 from 4" wide stock - $6 (as shown)
1.5X3.5 from 5" wide stock - $7.50

20oz Copper:
1X3 from 4" stock - $33
1.5X3.5 from 5" wide stock - $41.25

Rake Edge T MetallRake Edge T Metal
Priced per 12' stick, but can be cut to size as needed. Th
is is used to protect the diagonal edges of your roof. See above for freight details.

0.027 Aluminum:
4" wide stock - $6 (standard, but too small)
6" wide stock - $9
7.5" wide stock - $11.25

20oz Copper:
6" wide stock - $49.50
7.5" wide stock - $61.88
(as shown)

Step-Flashing MetallStep Flashing
Priced per 12 pack, but can be packed to order. Th
is flashing pieces are used to seal the edges of your roof that meet with a wall or sides of a chimney. This pair of 45 degree bends shown is an improved design, but can also be made in the traditional single 90 degree bend.  See above for freight details.

0.027 Aluminum:
6" X 8" long stock - $7.20
8" X 8" long stock - $9

8" X 12" long stock - $13

20oz Copper: 
6" X 8" long stock - $36 (as shown)
8" X 8" long stock - $46

8" X 12"  long stock - $68

W Valley MetalW - Valley Metal
Priced per standard 10' stick, but can be cut to the sizes needed. Copper up to 12' long. These can be made for tile roofs with reverse bends along the outer edges. The pipe is a tool I made to help roll the bottom edges of the valley metal to keep the rain water from shooting out over the gutter.  See above for freight details.

0.027 Aluminum:
18" wide stock (up to 10' lengths) - $2.25
24" wide stock (up to 10' lengths) - $3

20oz Copper:
18" wide stock (up to 12' lengths) - $12 ln' (as shown)
24" wide stock (up to 12' lengths) - $16 ln'

W Valley MetalRidge Cap w/Vent Kit
These copper ridge caps are custom formed to order and help reduce moss growth, which is your only option for moss control if you have copper gutters. Theses can be ordered with or without the ridge vent kit. The cedar and stainless steel screen ridge vent can be formed to size up to 16' long. It is best to provide a list of rafter placements on your roof for the best attachment, or can be trimmed to fit 2' centers. See above for freight details.

Cedar Wood Frame w/SS Screen Vent Mounting System:
Pre-cut Parts Kit - $10 Ln'
Pre-assembled formed to your roof angle ready to mount with SS deck screws included  $16 Ln'

20oz Copper Covers:
18" wide stock (up to 12' lengths) - $14 ln'
24" wide stock (up to 12' lengths) - $18 ln' (as shown)
Custom End-caps - $25 each

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From: Eric Tupper <tupperair42@hotmail.c*m>
Subject: RE: Down-spout Filters
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014


Hi David,
I just had to tell you how fantastic your DS Filters work. The install went fantastic on our house and they catch and push out the pine needles very well.

thank you for having such a great solution to our gutter debris. I also had the gutter company who installed the DS filters enlarge all of the openings in the gutters to allow the debris to freely travel to the DS filters.

Thank you again,
Eric Tupper
Here is another letter I received from a client who ordered over 200' of the heavy gauge 20oz copper gutters from me to install himself in Lake Oswego, Oregon. This may give you a better sense of what this is like better than anything I could tell you:

From: "Berglund, Carl A" <carl.berglund@XX.c*m>
Subject: RE: Berglund copper gutters.
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007

Thanks David,
I didn't ever find a crimper that could put a dimple for sealing the end caps that's why I am short in that I had to use rivets on every end cap. That sealant is some sticky stuff, worse almost than vaulkum.

<I could have gotten the tools needed for you, since many of them are not found and hardware stores. Although, I suppose that is the better way, since a few extra rivets are a lot cheaper than this hand tool you would not be likely to use again. As to the caulk; I aim to supply the best>

In any event things went pretty smooth, I did find that on my house I could use pipe clamps to rest the gutter on prior to putting in any screws. This in my view made things much much easier.  So depending upon how the fascia is put up, if there is a way to either a. clamp a board up to hold the gutter, or b. just use the end of the clamp it made it possible to get the gutter up, then position it, fine tune it's pitch, etc.. without ever doing a screw - very very handy. Also If I needed a helper it was only to get it up onto the clamps - then I was good to go.

<That is a great idea I had not considered. Aluminum gutters are only 1/3 the weight, and since all I did was aluminum for the first 5 years I never bothered to rig up something like that.>

Tips, I bought a very high quality level (I have numerous but the precision of the bubble for just touching the line wasn't very good. It's the blue ones about 35-40$ for a 2 footer available at Sears home depot, Lowes etc... it's there best one. Really did make a difference and felt confident that the slope would be just enough but not too much.

<That is a good point. I like the Stabila line of levels best.>

Just FYI, I find these gutters to be "noisier" than our old. Not sure why, maybe copper, or 20 oz copper has a louder "ring" to it when water drips into it.

<They are new and whistle clean. When they get a little debris in them they will be as quite as you remember the old ones being>

I can see why you always wear gloves as well as long sleeve shirts, had a couple places where it was obvious my arm touched them while installing, should have worn a long sleeve. Chop saw worked well but really loud, ear plugs recommended with eye protection a must.

<You are right. I should remember to caution people about how loud and shrill that is>

Back to tips, invest in a good set of both short and long right and left tin snips. Additionally a good set of 3 inch sheet metal bender pliers for downspouts.

<Kline or Midwest makes some good hand tools. The ships should always be the 'off-set' type. Not the type you commonly see in hardware stores.>

I found that for the downspout holes to work out best you can not just do a simple X cut but have to cut inward from the 1 inch hole saw area out and in the corners need real care to get them to end up as big a hole as possible yet have it flare into the downspout right - hope that makes sense but showing one that you have done to a DIY would be very helpful.

<I do: http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/Kistler4.htm . It may not show the hole-saw system. I have a standard size hole punch I use, but it shows how I make 8 cuts to maximize the outlet size.>

Pay very close attention to downspouts near corners or against any part of the house that projects out and do as much of the manipulation of the downspout bracket "holder" as possible prior to mounting it on the downspout. (I was able to do some of the bends with a bench clamp with good success and have the bends be more where I wanted them and cleaner this way.)

<Yes, those pipe cleats are made with a very thick 48oz copper sheet metal>

Pay close attention to rivet placement for consistent good looks on exterior. Important - have an onsite consultation with you to aid in planning. You solved some nice issues in ways I would not have thought of in that I was too caught up in how it used to be rather than what was possible to do better.

<I aim to please>

The leaf catchers in my mind are way more important than the screens. I am finding with the gutters flowing properly they are not gathering to any degree the needles and leaf fall like they used to. A good strong deluge and the needles flow with the water and do a very good job of getting filtered out by the leaf catchers while essentially self cleaning the gutters. I would not ever have a house without them. (had them on the old gutters but they were of poor design and in that the gutters didn't always go downhill and the downspouts were small would always clog.)

<Right, the Leaf-catchers I make are my most popular feature for selling new gutter systems>

That's about it. Some of the corners could be prettier but acceptable overall. Haven't done the flashing on Chimneys yet, hope to this weekend, will put a patio umbrella into the chimney hole if raining so I can do it mostly dry. Once we rock the chimney I will be back to you about chimney caps.

<I will look forward to hearing from you when you are ready>

Thanks again, really appreciate everything.

Carl Berglund

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A Comparison to Our No-clog Gutter System
A lot more than just a check list
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Above left is an actual aluminum LEAF GUARD gutter cross section profile that I have to show clients the clear difference. The image right shows our more user-friendly hinged copper leaf screen over our copper K-5 gutter for the same cost.

 

 

 

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(e) Moss Control & Treatment

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